Curse

King's Spectre · Apr 22, 2007, 04:51 AM // 04:51

Sorry if this is posted somewhere, the forums are pretty busy atm. I don't have enough data yet to be sure, but I noticed something odd in HM (probably normal too).

I took a warrior out and did a little riposte farming of critters in the early parts of Tyria. Taking packs of 2-4 at a time, I was getting a drop about half the time.

Playing around, I took a rit out with into the area (different critters) and the build was wildly successful. I could easily take out packs of 12 or more at a pop. The interesting thing is that right off the bat I was only seeing 1/8 drop rates.

Do you suppose that drops are tied to kill rate? Similar to the SR nerf, is it possible that you are only eligible for 1 drop every X seconds?

NME · Apr 22, 2007, 06:34 AM // 06:34

That does make alot of sence, some one could try this in UW solo as an SS necro (drop'em at same time) and Spoil Victor (1 at a time) and see if the drop rate changes. I shall try that when we get favor. Good theory.

Wildi · Apr 22, 2007, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by King's Spectre

..Do you suppose that drops are tied to kill rate? Similar to the SR nerf, is it possible that you are only eligible for 1 drop every X seconds?

I noticed the same thing, when mobs die at the same time I get less drops

ockwell · Apr 22, 2007, 01:45 PM // 13:45

i kinda noticed the same thing when i farm with my dervish vs. ele.
can't confirm it yet, need more trial runs and data from ppl.
keep it coming ppl

kinda make sense, i think the game dev was struck by the inspiration of using the same logic for drop rate as energy gain from SR post nerf.

zling · Apr 22, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

it also makes sense is Anet is trying to make farming harder/less profitable as dropping mobs 1 by 1 is much slower and harder than dropping groups of mobs simultaniously...

l Batman l · Apr 22, 2007, 02:43 PM // 14:43

I think it's just random.

Ravengar Silvertree · Apr 22, 2007, 03:11 PM // 15:11

I have also noticed this. When I take out huge mobs of like 15+ at a time, I get as many drops as a group of 6 or so.

jbwarrior · Apr 22, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

This is so true, I did a UW run with my ele. first I took a group of 4 smites, i got, 4 piles, 1 ecto, 108gold, phantom residue.
Then I took a group of 8, i got... 8 piles, 1 gold eternal shield, 103gold and that's it.
Then I took a big group of 15, I had purple storm bow, again a gold eternal shield and a white smiting rod... so yes take only small groups to get the most drops.... but I think how bigger the group is the better the drops are (less drops but better drops), because 1st eternal shield was req 12 and the 2nd eternal shield was req 9

So try it out guys/girls.

BTW It was in normal mode

Elnai · Apr 22, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Not true at all. Its random. Killed a mob of about 15 and got ~13 drops. Killed a mob of 6 and got no drops.

buzzerman · Apr 25, 2007, 04:21 PM // 16:21

I think the OP was onto something.. I ran quite a few tests on the Zelnehlun's group (HM) and I CONSISTENTLY got fewer drops by killing those 16-17 spiders all quickly (with SS, EoE, etc.) than by killing them slowly 1-2 at a time with single-dmg skills like Spoil Victor and Price of Failure..

Now that was intriguing.. It's like they took extra provisions to discourage fast solo farming..

FoxBat · Apr 25, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

I can confirm this.

These screenshots are averages of about 4 runs each. Slower killing yielded more junk drops per run. (Of course, it takes longer, so I'm not sure how much good it will do...) Gaile *did* mention something about the loot scaling having a "complex formula and I'm only giving you an estimate"

Dfx Gladiator · Apr 25, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Yeh now farming is of no use, imo.

I was doing a quest yesterday in Kourna and i got a Black Dye, and I later did another quest in ISTAN and i got a superior vigor, all with henchmen and heroes so... Loot is the same for every situation now it seems.

Correct Jeans · Apr 25, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

I really dont think it matters. lol. its all in ur heads.

gw_poster · Apr 25, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

I believe it's all random, too. But along those lines, I heard there is something to being within the aggro bubble to get your drops/loot - is there any truth to this. When solo trapping, I try to run away as fast as possible which might sometimes put me outside the 'bubble' and drops are more infrequent than others and sometimes not at all. I have yet to test this, just something I noticed. I figure though, that if you take out 10+ level 28's at one time, I would think at least something would drop, no? BTW (referencing previous post): 2 gold eternal shields in one u/w run? Wish I had that luck!

FoxBat · Apr 25, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Correct Jeans

I really dont think it matters. lol. its all in ur heads.

Thanks for the in-depth testing an analysis.

I'd like to see more replication (or refutation) of these results... notice the one build with much better drops kills minos one at a time with just -10 degen, which is extremely slow. The relatively speedy sliver armor by contrast didn't yield that much better returns than sandstorming everything. You really have to cut back the killing speed to notice a difference.

DvM · Apr 25, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Loot sclaing is party AND time based, kill a monster every ~30osh seconds, and you'll get full drops.

red13xx · Apr 25, 2007, 11:03 PM // 23:03

that is bs. I tried it slow and fast same thing. If that was true the first monster you kill in an area would drop. It is just random.

Anyway you know what also sucks it says that you can get elite tome from hard mode bosses. So the chance for them to drop must be rarer than its green. I started to think of a good way to make a profit by selling the tombs so I began to solo the bosses. I did 5 different bosses at least 10 times each. All different and have yet to get a tome from them. I have gotten 4 greens though in hard mode but still no sign of the tome. Jeez this sucks. My inventory almost filled with mods and green and I cant sell a damn one of them! Why did anet do this? I have only got tome from hard mode chest so far and even during my sunspear farming I have killed a boss 50 times in a row and havent gotten a tomb with henches so it is the same with solo bosses and henches. 1 tome out of 100+ boss kills is rediculous.

Cassandra · Apr 26, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

the observation of drops inflenced by the killing speed is fully and totally coherent with my experience too.

Anko- · Apr 26, 2007, 12:53 PM // 12:53

this is strange, i was farming corsairs in HM yesterday and i experienced the Opposite i usually can take the whole group of 15+ at once and i barely get any good drops at all but yesterday i decided to put symbol of wrath into my build to kill faster and i got 3 gold drops in a single run this was while taking all the corsairs at once like i usually do and not killing group by group , its very strange.

DvM · Apr 26, 2007, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by Anko-

this is strange, i was farming corsairs in HM yesterday and i experienced the Opposite i usually can take the whole group of 15+ at once and i barely get any good drops at all but yesterday i decided to put symbol of wrath into my build to kill faster and i got 3 gold drops in a single run this was while taking all the corsairs at once like i usually do and not killing group by group , its very strange.

Golds are not affected by theloot scaling.